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	<title>Comments on: Structure: The Untouchables</title>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://thestorydepartment.com.au/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/us.png" alt="United States" />&#160;Angelo <small id="gs_author_location">from New Jersey, United States</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://thestorydepartment.com.au/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/us.png" alt="United States" />&#160;Angelo <small id="gs_author_location">from New Jersey, United States</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t that what makes Ness an adolescent -- his naivete?</description>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://thestorydepartment.com.au/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/au.png" alt="Australia" />&#160;storydude <small id="gs_author_location">from New South Wales, Australia</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://thestorydepartment.com.au/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/au.png" alt="Australia" />&#160;storydude <small id="gs_author_location">from New South Wales, Australia</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t THJ about metaphors? Does it always literally have to be an adolescent and adventure?

The Hero is often a flawed adult, who needs to grow or transform. The journey is sometimes not at all adventurous, but dark and menacing.

In his book MYTH AND THE MOVIES, Stuart Voytilla shows how the journey works with a variety of genres and characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t THJ about metaphors? Does it always literally have to be an adolescent and adventure?</p>
<p>The Hero is often a flawed adult, who needs to grow or transform. The journey is sometimes not at all adventurous, but dark and menacing.</p>
<p>In his book MYTH AND THE MOVIES, Stuart Voytilla shows how the journey works with a variety of genres and characters.</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://thestorydepartment.com.au/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/us.png" alt="United States" />&#160;D. Jason Fleming <small id="gs_author_location">from California, United States</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://thestorydepartment.com.au/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/us.png" alt="United States" />&#160;D. Jason Fleming <small id="gs_author_location">from California, United States</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though &lt;cite&gt;The Untouchables&lt;/cite&gt; is a damn well-structured story, I don&#039;t think using Campbellian hero&#039;s journey terminology is quite right.  

Elliot Ness isn&#039;t an adolescent going on an adventure, he&#039;s an adult (admittedly naive, at first, but still an adult) with a job to do.  

The thematic question is whether he will allow his virtues to be used to hamstring him and defeat his larger purpose.  (&quot;How far are you willing to go?&quot; &quot;As far as the law allows.&quot; &quot;All right, and THEN how far?&quot;)

Which makes the first raid scene and his meeting with Malone in the church equal halves of the inciting incident, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though <cite>The Untouchables</cite> is a damn well-structured story, I don&#8217;t think using Campbellian hero&#8217;s journey terminology is quite right.  </p>
<p>Elliot Ness isn&#8217;t an adolescent going on an adventure, he&#8217;s an adult (admittedly naive, at first, but still an adult) with a job to do.  </p>
<p>The thematic question is whether he will allow his virtues to be used to hamstring him and defeat his larger purpose.  (&#8220;How far are you willing to go?&#8221; &#8220;As far as the law allows.&#8221; &#8220;All right, and THEN how far?&#8221;)</p>
<p>Which makes the first raid scene and his meeting with Malone in the church equal halves of the inciting incident, I think.</p>
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